December 12, 2014
Stanton A. Glantz, PhD
A sampling of Clive Bates on Twitter
I hear a lot of calls for civility in the debate over e-cigarettes. A friend sent this summary of some recent tweets from Clive Bates, in just the past couple of weeks.
Cowardly public health 'boot boys' and their smearing, sneering, jeering letter (Chapman, Glantz, McKee, Daube)
World’s top cigarette salesmen (Chapman, Glantz, McKee, Daube)
Fakery of the public health establishment
Profound insanity of @UCSF is not merely misleading and harming people, but protecting cig sales (Glantz)
Moralising activists and indignant prudes
Tactics …… to misrepresent the science and mislead the public
False evidence
Ignorant tweets (Capewell)
For an academic, you are disturbingly ignorant about the basics of causation and association. Who funds you…..and why? (Capewell)
Self-indulgent critics of e-cigarettes
One of the most primordial bottom-feeders in all social media (McKee)
Scaremongering
The usual junk-peddlers in tobacco control
Comments
Tobacco Control please delve deeper!
I don't get the purpose of this page. Clive Bates is a highly respected, extremely well informed comentator who has recognised the value that ecigs bring to our society and acknowledges the huge consumer acceptance that they have gained over the past few years. Which Oxford Dictionaries have also done by naming Vape the 2014 word of the year. What good does it serve anyone to have isolated quotes like this, totally out of context, instead of the full, informed and well-presented arguements you could easily get by browsing the Counterfactual at http://www.clivebates.com/" title="http://www.clivebates.com/";http://www.clivebates.com/
& no right of reply? tut tut
It's sad that you feel able to trash people and then delete any replies that don't support your POV. I expected more of a senior academic
Where are the comments Stan?
Seems to me you only publish comments u agree with
Question
.....Are you grown up's?!
A sampling of Clive Bates on Twitter
I'm now going to follow Clive Bates, thank you for the recommendation.
Moreover . . . .
Despite this continuing and clearly unprofessional and insulting behaviour, others still cite Mr Bates. For example, here: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/12/225";http://www.biomedcentral.... Professor Peter Hajek. This is even more incongruous and contradictory as it was they (and others) here http://nicotinepolicy.com/n-s-p/2003-glantz-letter-to-who-the-importance... earlier this year claimed to emphasise: “the importance of dispassionate presentation and interpretation of evidence”.
Mr Bates’ comments, as shown here, are hardly “dispassionate” and/or professional, nor are other previous accusations he has made regarding “slurrygusher science” on his blog. This comes from a “gentleman” who appears here http://www.clivebates.com/?p=2448#more-2448";http://www.clivebates.com/?... to see the potential value of: normalising vaping: in young, non-smokers. These are a sample of his views:
• “Alternative sources of nicotine also have the prospect of substituting for smoking initiation in current non-smokers.”
• “It is possible alternative nicotine sources them to have a ‘protective’ effect by diverting young people away from smoking into something that does little harm and is less likely to form dependence.”
• “ Further recognise that some ENDS use is an alternative to smoking in never smokers and young people: that it may be protecting non-users from smoke (especially in the home);”
I, and presumably others, am also very inquisitive as to what he is doing “networking” with Big Tobacco, here: http://www.gtnf-2014.com/look-whos-talking/";http://www.gtnf-2014.com/lo... . Perhaps, he could enlighten us?
David Bareham
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